Sleeping Giant, Hamden

June, 2009 by Ray Bendici
sleepinggiant1 The Damned Story: Sleeping Giant in Hamden has a long recorded history, and as such, there are many tales associated with it, the most famous of which is how this unique stretch of trap rock ridge got its name in the first place. According to the Quinnipiac Indians who inhabited the area before European colonists arrived, the story of Sleeping Giant is the story of Hobbomock, a giant who contained the spirit of the souls of the dead. As it turns out, Hobbomock was not an especially nice or jolly behemoth, threw temper tantrums and tended to do things that pleased only him. Once, he got so angry and stamped his feet so violently in a river that it caused a flood that destroyed many villages and created much distress among the mortals. He was also fond of oysters, so the story goes, and quite often gorged himself on every one that could be found, making sure to leave none for everyone else. He was a giant jerk, really. Anyway, Keihtan, the creator-god, took pity on the plight of the mortals and decided he needed to deal with Hobbomock. But as Hobbomock was a divine creature, Keihtan could not kill him, so he waited for the right opportunity to take care of the giant. One day, after Hobbomock went on a particularly zealous oyster-eating binge (think of your Uncle Joe showing up for Thanksgiving with his "eating pants" on), he grew weary and fell asleep. Keihtan, seizing the moment, cast a spell on the giant so that he would never awaken again. Over time, the earth and trees have come to cover the slumbering Hobbomock, peace has returned to the area, and all have been spared the giant's wrath. slp_giant11Moving from ancient legend to more recent reality, another well-known story about the mountain is the tale of Dead Man's Cave. Essentially, on Good Friday in 1873, a pair of boys went up to the mountain to look for what was then called Abraham's Cave -- an impressive hollow on the "left hip" of the giant, large enough to hold a dozen men. When the boys got to the cave, however, rather than find old Abraham, they found ... well, a dead man. The badly decomposed corpse's identity was a mystery for a time before authorities were finally able to determine that the dead man was Edward Barnum, a nephew of the legendary P.T. Barnum. Over the centuries, the mountain has been home to grist and saw mills, quarries, private cottages and other small buildings. In 1888, John Dickerman opened a small area of the mountain as a recreational park and built the tower that is popularly visited now; by the early half of the 20th century, over 1,500 acres were protected and devoted to public recreational use. For a detailed history of Sleeping Giant, you can check out Born Among the Hills: The Sleeping Giant Story by Nancy Davis Sachse. Our Damned Experience: Steve has hiked the Giant numerous times, but on a sunny spring day in late May 2009, we set out for the tower and hopefully to find Dead Man's Cave. When we arrived, we decided to ask one of the park rangers what was the best way to get to Dead Man's Cave. He sort of scratched his head, looked around and said, "Uh, if you want to know that, you can try and go ask my supervisor over there in the office." In other words -- "You boys are on your own." Understood. slp_giant3As the weather was perfect and the trail traffic was fairly light, it was only a matter of time before we reached the summit. After the obligatory visit to the top of the tower for a few photos, we attempted to follow directions provided us by our pal Sherpa Bob and others. After a bit of guessing and tramping around, we were able to find it! Of course finding it and exploring it are two different things, especially because it was in a veritable sea of poison ivy! Seriously, the stuff was everywhere, and as both Steve and I are highly allergic, by the time we got to the cave, we were both starting to freak out a bit as we had repeatedly come in contact with it. The next factor going against us was the fact that to go all the way into the chamber, you have to crawl down into a small opening, then crawl back under the entrance on your belly through a small opening to get into the main cave. Essentially, when you are standing in front of the entrance to Dead Man’s Cave, you’re actually standing on top of Dead Man’s Cave itself. Think of it as having to negotiate yourself into a blocky letter “C” from the top. We both were wearing shorts and T-shirts, were covered in poison ivy oils and only had a small headlamp between us . . . Despite this, we started to enter the cave before we saw a number of very large spiders! Now, I'm by no means arachnophobic, but the eight-legged specimens hanging in wait across the cave's entrance were big enough to saddle. Feeling itchy, sweaty and not properly equipped (like with flamethrowers!), and suddenly leery of whatever fauna might be waiting in the dark, we decided that discretion was the better part of valor and -- Okay, we wimped out, ran home and scrubbed ourselves with Tecnu (which works amazingly -- woohoo!)! We'll return when cooler weather arrives, the ivy is gone, the spiders will be fewer and we could be dressed and equipped to investigate the right way. We know where the cave is and we will be back! If You Go: If you haven't already visited, Sleeping Giant State Park is located at 200 Mount Carmel Avenue in Hamden, directly across from Quinnipiac University. It is open daily year-round from 8 am to sunset. In the summer, there is a charge to park in the main lot; many people park on Mount Carmel Avenue for free. The Sleeping Giant Park Association also has a lot of great information about the park, including hiking trails, organized hikes and more. View Sleeping Giant State Park in a larger map

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Submitted by rick (not verified) on
Great post, really brings me back. Should have called me first though, I've logged so many hours in that cave it would make David Blane jealous. Great place for a 12 year old kid to hang out for the day (in 1972). Today we don't let our 12 year old out of our sight. The only spooky thing about DMC would be two 40 year old men in shorts complaining about spiders and their sensitive skin, blocking my escape route out of the cave.

Submitted by James (not verified) on
I have been in there and went all the way to the back when I was a wee teen. I would say you need less than a 32 waist to get through there (unless they cut it wider somehow). It was very claustraphobic in there and very slimey too. You have to do that move from the Army training where you are on your back and you shimmy through using your shoulders to propel you under a rock. Lets just say that you will come out of there dirty, itchy, bitten, and scared. My worst fear was if the rock shifted a few inches I would have been trapped forever. Enjoy!!

Submitted by Steve Frank on
Thanks HikeaGiant, not sure where we got this information....FYI is nothing left to the old structure- I hiked the white trail and found a small foundation just off it with some trees growing up through it.

Submitted by Hikeagiant (not verified) on
Your statement "In 1888, John Dickerman opened a small area of the mountain as a recreational park and built the tower that is popularly visited now;" - is incorrect. John Dickerman, in hopes of creating a summer recreational community did in fact build a road up from Mt. Carmel, now traversing a part of the Red Circle Trail before branching off into an unmarked trail that ends up on the White overlooking New Haven Harbor (the fourth ridge). On this scenic outcropping he built a wooden pavillion which opened on July 4, 1888, hoping to attract picnickers and families out to enjoy nature. He called the area Blue Hills Park. Today there are no remains of any structures. The Tower was a WPA project, conceived in 1935 and completed in 1939 using the stones of a former home on the third ridge, also the highest spot on Sleeping Giant. It was built after the Sleeping Giant Park was established as a State Park.

Submitted by Hikeagiant (not verified) on
On the White Trail in that area, there are foundations of two of the cottages that Dickerman had built near the site of his original pavillion. The one you mentioned, now sometimes referred to as "Ned's Cabin" , is the remains of the first stone house built on the Giant. It was constructed in 1888 by Jonathan Dickerman for a woman named Jamison from Lake Como, Florida, as part of his attempt to build a recreational commuity the area. It was called the Stone House, 14 feet square inside with walls 2 feet thick. The other 'remains' are bit off the White and a bit harder to discern. This is the remains of a cottage built in 1889 for Reverend Robert Bell and his family from Granby, Bell having served an minister of Mt. Carmel Congregational Church from 1879 to 1891. There are two iron pipes driven into the rock, which are presumed to be part of the foundation. For photos of each and some historical photos, which I hope to be able to replace with better copies at some point soon, and GPS coordinates, check out - under Giant Lore.

Submitted by Andrew (not verified) on
I have searched for the cave before with no luck with a few friends does anyone know if they could tell how to get to the cave?? email me at I would appreciate it

Submitted by Jack (not verified) on
I recall the workd "FOTCH" and "BONE" with a a white arrow pointing the way to the cave in the 60's.

Hey folks, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but what you found here is not Dead Man's cave. Dead Mans is about 200 yards farther down the green trail (where the yellow trail bisects it) and is MUCH bigger. What you have discovered here is actually named "Spider Cave" for the unpleasantly large species of Cave-Dweeling Orb spider (Meta Ovalis) that lives there. I have gotten in there with those bad boys, and believe me - they are not all that happy to receive visitors. I never got down into the actual lower part of the "C" since that is where the spiders breed. Personally, I kind of like spiders, but this is... uhhh... too much of a "good thing" in too cramped a space, if you know what I mean. The "official" Dead Man's Cave is about parallel with a 100 foot telephone pole pine tree (use it as a marker) and can be reached by climbing up the talus pile (watch out for Copperheads. Seriously) or down the 100 foot cliff. It does not look like a cave entrance. It looks more like a crooked, sideways, 'slash' in the side wall of the cliff. You climb up on some rocks to get to the angled entrance, then down inside. The upper room slants down to a "hole" in the right wall with a log against the back wall to help you down about a six foot drop. Once you lower yourself in (feet first, please) you will see that the floor of the hole angles down into a 'trough' with another man-hole sized opening at the lower end. (Basically you are now zig-zagging with the way you just entered the cave) push yourself along, feet first and CAREFULLY lower yourself into that second hole, and you will find yourself dropping into a LARGE

ROOM with room for about five or six people! there is a passage at the far end that drops into yet another (!) big room, and you will see bats clinging to the cieling. There are other passages as well that may even lead to other rooms. I dont know, since they did not seem to agree with a 6' tall 200lb frame... The whole place is covered with ridiculous ammounts of graffiti, but it is still pretty cool. The hardest part is shimmying down into the drop-in room, so you may not want to go alone - as getting back out without a rope is possible, but it will tear you up a bit in the process. I would reccomend people not leave rubbish and stuff inside (only footprints) and try to imagine what it looks like without all the spray paint tagging, but cool nonetheless. Now.... there is also a drop down pit that leads to another cave called "Black Well" on the other side of the mountain, not far from the blue trail.................. (Sorry about the wierd spacing on this. I must have accidentally hit "submit" before completing my ramblings. :-)

Chuck is correct. The real Dead Man's Cave is a treat for all, with few spiders. You can actually go even lower than the drop-in room by crawling in a ridiculous, tight passage and reach yet another room below that one (it's smaller). I don't recommend it unless you're a caver or very skinny, though. I used to take students to Dead Man's Cave as extra credit. I only had 2 (out of maybe 50) freak out and not do it. But if they had seen that many spiders, no doubt more would have balked. So, I think we can give the Damned Connecticut crew a break here. They just had the wrong cave! (P.S. The first time I went up we found a smaller cave inhabited by copperheads, too) Now, I've never heard of this Black Well cave! Please, Chuck, tell me more!

Submitted by hikeagiant (not verified) on
Each Spring the Trails Crew of Sleeping Giant does its annual trash 'clean out' of Dead Man's Cave (once know as Abraham's Cave, until the body of P.T. Barnum's nephew was found there on Good Friday 1873 by two boys 'out for adventure'). The graffiti is another matter. I've been down once; climbing out gave new meaning to the term "rebirth". ;-)

Submitted by Chuck (not verified) on
Eric, I think I read your article on Dead Man's cave. That's what made me go back there! I realized that I had only gotten into the upper room the first time, and had not gone deep enough! I wondered what the big deal about Dead Man's cave was! (lol) I tried to send you an email via the Quinnipiac address that the article had (If memory serves me) but the link was dead. I'll add in the URL of my website - it has a contact link for my email. Trust me, I dont mind spiders at all, but I totally agree with our Damned CT guys in leaving this place behind... The Meta Ovalis species in Spider Cave is a daunting creature indeed. They are harmless, but they are about 2.5 inches or so in size, brick red with long legs and brown belly, and they build big webs that feel like old electrical wire strung through the cave. You don't (usually) see these puppies until after you are inside the cave and then you notice their somewhat intimidating shadows on the wall, skittering around in your head lamp, rushing across their broken web to climb up the rocks and stare at you. Yeahhh... I'll take the bats, please! In any event; I was typing too fast when I posted my earlier comment, and gave the wrong trail for my statement... the "Cave of the Black Well" is NOT located on the blue trail, it is on the WHITE trail. In fact - if you know where to look - very close to the white trail... Also, it is ostensibly part of the "Esophagus Cave" system from what I can determine. Apparently ( I am finding these things out through a lot of research online) that whole [small] cave network over by "Canyon Pit" has about a million different names. Ray Wilson's list calls it "Cave of the Black Well", and I kind of like the tone of that, but the most prevalent monniker I keep seeing is, of course, Esophagus. (the "Black Well" part of it?) From the way I piece it all together, Esophagus is the vertical pit that you chimney down for about 15 feet. It looks like a man-hole in the rock-pile, and is very easy to miss; Until you look down and see how far the darkness goes... At the bottom there is a fairly good sized cave that you can squeeze into with about a 7 foot high, sloped cieling. There's probably room for about three or four adults. I have not seen so much as a spider down there, and the area is not secluded enough for bats, so if you dont mind dropping into a pit to get to it, it seems fairly empty. There is a cave off the green trail with copperheads? Wow, I might know where it is. Believe it or not I have actually gone to the Giant to deliberately take photos of copperheads. Beautiful snake, and hey - they are only venomous if they bite you. As long as you keep that from happening, they're not so bad. LOL ;-) Chuck

Submitted by Steve Frank on
We need to head back it looks like. Thanks all for the great info. Steve

Submitted by Jon (not verified) on
Hey guys, the cave is amazing. It's rumored by alot of the guys at the local high school that Jerry Garcia as been down there, seeing as his signature is on the wall. However the one thing i will say is, on more than one occasion I've been "welcomed" by quite a few bats.

Submitted by Joe (not verified) on
Me and my friends have visited Dead man's Cave, Spider cave, and the third one on that cliffside, but we can't find the caves on the white trail. Is there anyone that can elaborate a little on the location, if it isn't asking too much. Joe

Submitted by DC (not verified) on
I think this is all very fascinating but did anyone actually take pictures of being inside these rooms? I'm not brave enough to go in but would love to see what you guys are talking about. Is no one afraid of getting stuck in there?

I took some shots of many of the rooms. Unfortunately I have not been back to get better ones yet. Dead Man's cave *can* be tricky if you are very large, and if the idea of sliding along on your back - feet first - through a 'tunnel' of rock until you feel your feet dropping into an unseen space freaks you out, then you may want to think it over a bit. So far nobody has gotten stuck, to my knowledge, however. Personally I have no desire to go back to spider cave at all, since I dont think I could fit through the little crawl-space... And dont really want to meet up with the denizens of the place that closely, even if I could.. :-D The caves on the White trail are hard to describe with accuracy... Just find "canyon pit" (the spot on the edge of the trail that looks like a small gorge in the rock surface) and explore from there. They are in that area, and the opening looks like a jagged man-hole...

Submitted by Joe (not verified) on
I've been to Sleeping Giant many times, been to every cave to my knowledge besides the ones on the white trail. I found an arena in the beginning of the white trail(starting from the parking lot), where there seems to be a lot of small holes leading beneath rocks, but we have had no luck finding anything significant. Would anyone happen to have coordinates? Also, Chuck, how far up the white trail is "canyon pit" starting from the bottom(parking lot). Thanks in advance.

I dont actually have the GPS coords... maybe there's a geo-cache'r lurking about that might. But the easiest way I can think of is to go up the tower path and take a RIGHT on the white trail where it crosses (the ravine that forms the"neck" of the Giant) and follow that up and around the "stairs" and to the top where you can see over to Quinnipiac University. On the inside (right hand side) of the trail - where it looks back toward the "chin" - you'll see what looks like a crevasse in the ground at the edge of the cliff. It looks like something from an Indiana Jones movie. You'll see it as you round the top of the white trail ridge. If you are looking at the University you are in the ball-park. The caves are in this area. Just climb around on the rocks as if going straight toward the University - and look down into the rocks as you explore...

Submitted by Jr (not verified) on
Chuck is right about DMC. it's like sliding down into oblivion until your foot touches that rock! Spider cave is much more tame, but still cool. Never saw the 3rd cave.

Submitted by Aram (not verified) on
To say the least those directions are very confusing. I have the trail map and see multiple intersections of the white and yellow trails. If you or anyone else can highlight the path to DMC or give clearer better directions. I'd like to go here soon before plants and stuff start growing too much. Thanks for any help.

Submitted by mick (not verified) on
I was up there the last 2 evenings just hiking on the Green trail. Coming from the Red Triangle on Green I did see a large gash in the cliff like what Chuck described above but it was BEFORE I got to the Yellow/Green crossover trail. When I found Spider Cave last year, I'm pretty sure it was just above the Y/G crossover. So again, is DMC to the west (towards the head) or to the east (towards Chestnut Lane) from Spider Cave? (200 yards is 2 football fields, right?)

Submitted by mick (not verified) on
I see this thread hasn't been touched since last year but if anyone's still out there... I went looking for DMC last summer with my son and his friend and was excited when I thought we had found it. We climbed down in and then I saw the crack below the entrance. They thought I was crazy but I started sliding down in and then I got stuck! I finally got my foot up high enough in the void to push off a rock on the ceiling. I later figured out that we had been in Spider Cave. I still haven't found DMC but thanks for renewing my interest. I know where that rectangular pit off the White trail is (I was there a couple times in the past week) but I didn't realize there is a cave below that. I'm going to have to check that out also.

Submitted by Chuck (not verified) on
Mick, If you are standing with Spider cave at your back (as if you just came out) Dead Man's cave is about 200 yards to your LEFT on the cliff wall. It is up from the rockpile about 10 feet and looks like an inward carved slash in the rocks. Just go about 200 yards from Spider Cave, and when you see the fissure in the rock-face, climb up, then down inside. There is a "Mouse-hole" opening in the back, with a tree-trunk inside to use for climbing down. From there, just slide under the rock and drop down into the room. Not as cramped, nor as many spiders... :-)

Submitted by Aram (not verified) on
To mainly Chuck or anyone else. The lookout tower I read was built in the 1930's is there any signifigance to it or is it just built for fun. I noticed it saying "CSP" my first thought with that is Connecticut State Police. After investigating the tower there does seem to be some empty rooms that would be used for storage or stuff like that. Any idea's as to the original use of the tower?

Submitted by mick (not verified) on
Just a guess but it could be "Connecticut State Park" also.

Submitted by Aram (not verified) on
Made it to the cave today and inside, we didn't drop down due to lack of gear and fear of getting stuck as well as fading light conditions. But I took a couple pictures of the entrance and have the coordinates from GPS as N-41 25.889-W-072 53.309.

Submitted by hikeagiant2 (not verified) on
Trails Crew (clean up) began yesterday with the traditional hike to Dead Man's Cave. The crew that went there picked up 24 lbs. of trash much of it thrown down from the Blue Trail, but some from the Cave. If you go, help us out by carrying out what you carry in. Be safe! Thanks.

Submitted by guy (not verified) on
Can someone tell me where the "canyon pit" is? I think that's what its called. I read that its off the white trail and im going there soon so i want to know where to look.

Submitted by mick (not verified) on
guy, I'm guessing they mean the big pit to your right if you take the white trail to the right from the tower path. When you get to the top of the rocks, there is now a big red-on-white "Geology Station" arrow pointing to the right and that's what I think they mean. I was told that the new trails guy is making geological points of interest along all the trails, much like the nature trail.

Submitted by guy (not verified) on
that trail that goes up the side of the quarry (I think its blue?) theres an arrow pointing to a geology station is that what your talking about? then the cave would be near there? I dont think ive ever gone to the geology station but i always go on that quarry cliff trail

Submitted by mick (not verified) on
No - the tower path is the big wide trail that everyone walks on. A quicker, steeper route to where I'm talking about is to leave from the back of the picnic area on the white trail (starts at a little bridge you can see from the picnic area road). When you cross the wide tower path, keep going up the white trail on the right. When you finish the climb, if you're watching your feet, you'll see the geology station marker with an arrow pointing to the right. I think that's the "pit" they're talking about.

Submitted by Dude (not verified) on
actually went and climbed dead mans cave today, it was nice no snakes no spiders just wet. Trying to figure out where this "black well" is off the white trail. is it over by the geology station making?

Submitted by Aram (not verified) on
Dude, can you describe/explain how to get to the cave starting from the main parking lot by quinnipiac university? or anyone else I have no idea where to even start.

Submitted by Dude (not verified) on
Orange -> main trail (then immediatley get on white)-> once you get to white follow to the top and get on the green trail. follow the green all the way to the yellow intersection and bring some rope because that log has now fallen into the cave making it difficult to get out

Submitted by mick (not verified) on
Oh, and I assumed that the "pit" off of the White trail was the big hole with the "Geology Station" marker that Dude refers to where you reach the top of the hill after taking a right onto the White trail off of the Tower path.

Submitted by Chuck (not verified) on
Mick, that large opening before the yellow trail sounds like the shallow cave just a few feet above Spider cave. Keep walking toward the red switchback until you see the markers for the yellow cross-over trail on your right. Stop. Turn to your left: You will be staring at what they call down south a "telephone pole pine tree". (about 80 feet tall and straight as a pole) Start climbing up the rocks right there. You are essentially heading right for DMC. You cannot see it easily from the trail, but once you start in on the rocks, it will appear soon enough.

Submitted by mick (not verified) on
Thanks, Chuck. I was told before that it was right across from where the yellow crossover leaves the green trail but maybe this pine tree will help. And have you seen that "geology station" marker on the white trail? The "pit" that I know of is right there - is that where the "black well" cave is?

Submitted by Aram (not verified) on
Ok, so searched other websites and I believe I know where to go now. Once I fin it I'll post some coordinates.

Submitted by Aram (not verified) on say the least I am still lost as to where this cave is. Is it on the far right (looking at the map right side up) or closer to the tower? I see two yellow crossover trails one closer to Chestnut lane the other closer to the tower area. If someone want's to map it out on the map and just highlight the route would be awesome lol.

Submitted by Dude (not verified) on
If your looking at the tower on the map the cave is too the about 45 degrees if using a 360 degree compass it is right below the cliffs so if youve found spider cave dmc is abou100 yardsnorth following the rock face its a crack that you slide in between to get down into the "c" and then the opening. It is however extremely tight to get in to the room I dont recommend trying to squeeze in with a 36+ waist

Submitted by Dude (not verified) on
Also its prob 200 yards from the tower and down on the right side of it If your looking at your map and

Submitted by Me Again (not verified) on
Try it this way: Take the tower path up to the castle, then continue on the blue trail to the open spot on the top of the cliff where a small, scraggly tree with a blue marker on it stands near the edge of the cliff. Look down. There is a tall pine tree looking back at you from the green trail below. You are standing directly over Dead Man's Cave. How to get down there from that cliff is up to you. But there are "chutes" (rock washouts) not far from where you are standing, that make for an adventurous, yet manageable, climb down.

Submitted by Aram (not verified) on
Ok so today me and two buddy's climbed the blue trail from start point to the tower. Upon arriving at the tower we continued onto the blue trail found what would be called a scraggly tree was and had no idea where to go from there. We are heading back either this weekend or next week when we have more daylight. Any other descriptions coordinates or something as to how to locate DMC???

Submitted by Yes, it's me (not verified) on
Aram, you were there. as Me Again says, climb down the wash out and then go left(north) along the cliff wall for what feels about 100 yards. The slash-like entrance is in an upward step of the cliff base profile, but you can't miss it if you traverse the entire length. Also, there's a very small room-like cave in the quarry that's an interesting folly and a small reason to climb the rock pile. Standing at the base of the quarry looking up, it's at 10 o'clock. An appropriate destination for a 12 year old before the internet was created.

Submitted by Maybe me, but I... (not verified) on
"Yes, its me" is correct: Climb down the washout and go left - pass the "table rock" thing and keep looking up at the cliff wall for an inward-curving crack/slash in the lower part of the rock profile. Once you find it this way, you will also be able to locate it from where it falls on the green trail, thereby making all future trips much easier. :-) Question for "Yes": What part of the quarry do I need to be standing in to see the little cave at 10:00? I have seen a number of things in that place that look like possible caves, but they all struck me as shadows in the rock, and I didnt know if they were worth investigating. To everyone else out there - be VERY cautious climbing on the actual ROCK FACE of the old quarry, as I'm sure "Yes, its me" and alot of others on this board will tell you: It was a real, genuine, working trap-rock quarry at one time and that is essentially dynamite-compromised rock that we are looking at. Every summer I see lots of people contemplating the top as they pick their way up to the cliff walls. Sadly, a number of people have gone in looking for a challenging rock-climb and came out feet-first in a shiny black bag. Have fun, enjoy, but keep your wits about you and be careful.

The Tower, completed in 1939, was a WPA project designed by an architect named Barker, and constructed by conservation corps workers supervised by Harry Webb. The spider web is a play on his name - CSP stands forCt. State Park. The Tower was built partially from stones that comprised an earlier house built by Wiser around 1910, subsequently owned by a family named Park, and demolished to built the Tower. The 'empty rooms' were once men's and women's toilets. If you look carefully you can see where the plumbing was, and where the stall were attached to the floor. Also, you can see around the perimeter the remains of cement pilings (for lack of a better word) that supported columns with a trellised 'roof'.

Submitted by John Devine (not verified) on
In the early 1960's I explored the Dead Mans cave many times with friends. We called it by that name back then although we didn't know why. I was about twelve at the time and don't believe Icould fit through as easily today. I haven't seen any mention of the fact that the cave is shaped like rosary beads meaning one had a choice as to which direction to proceed. We only used candles never flashlights and used the candle smoke to leave markings on the walls of the deepest room. I wonder if those marks have survived. It's been 50 years since I've been there but i'm sure I could walk right to the entrance again.

For pictures and other info check out '3rd ridge' under Giant Lore at