Bara-Hack, Pomfret

November, 2016 by Ray Bendici
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The Damned Story: The sparsely populated Northeastern region of Connecticut has long been called the Quiet Corner. But whoever named it may not have ever been to the abandoned settlement of Bara-Hack. According to local history, a pair of Welsh families first settled Bara-Hack in 1780; and although the name is odd, considering what some towns are called in Wales, it could've been called Barrffynng-Hheaggnnogg or something equally appealing.

By 1890 the settlement was history as the last residents left, and as is wont to happen, the surrounding forest slowly took the land back . . . allegedly though, it forgot some of the noise.

Modern visitors to Bara-Hack can see the interesting remnants of old foundations and walls as well as a cemetery—the damned part starts when they supposedly start hearing the sounds of the long-gone settlement! Everything from the noises of children playing and people singing to the sounds of livestock and the rumble of wagon wheels have been said to have been heard.

Over the years, various investigators have recorded the sounds, while others have also claimed to have seen the ghost of a bearded man and the spirit of a young child.

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Bara-Hack may be gone, but clearly, it doesn't want to be forgotten.

Our Damned Experience: We have never been to Bara-Hack and back.

If You Go: Bara-Hack is on clearly marked private property ("No Trespassing" signs abound), and is very closely watched.

As it is on private property, you need permission from the land's owner to visit—which appears to be very unlikely as reports seem to indicate the owners are not interested in anyone visiting. Sorry!

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Submitted by Linda (not verified) on
No Border patrol, you would be right I don't have a photo of Nara hack, I have one of Bara Hack and very likely it is one of the most impressive photos ever taken there. I am all good. LOL

Submitted by Linda (not verified) on
Oh and Border Patrol, newsflash! There are countless historical properties all over the country and for that matter all over the world. If you are such a big shot to claim b/c a place has historical significance & you and everyone else has the right to go there (trespass) when you choose, please do try this at the Whitehouse as I would be extremely entertained to hear about what the Secret Service would do to you in insisting how very wrong you are. LMBO!!

Hi all it's Rocco , wondering if anyone knew if things have changed at the property if there doing group trips or anything along those lines thank you. Missy Rocco

Submitted by Wandering (not verified) on
What a sad day when people can't work together to preserve and share a piece of history. Sounds like there is enough interest here to encourage a responsible representative of the owners to provide tours that could be used to preserve the site. Perhaps CT needs to start putting some real rules in place to encourage "owners" to preserve these sites for historic purposes. We have all seen the old barns, stone walls, indian burial grounds go to ruin over the years. Perhaps there is something to be learned from cities like London that have strict historic preservation rules.

Submitted by Thomas fletcher... (not verified) on
If I wanted permission to go and visit not even to investigate how would I do so. Please anyone who knows the owner or is the owner please call or text 2394709070 I will answer text more often but please call me. I am very interested in the history and the sites there.

Submitted by Jaybird (not verified) on
Good luck with getting permission these ppl have there heads up there ass

Submitted by Bill (not verified) on
In order for an event to be supernatural in origin, one cannot simply rule out natural phenomenon. There are copies examples of unexplained observations in both everyday life and the laboratory. Even in astronomy, there are a number of puzzles which are at the forefront of current study. No one is ascribing these observations to angels, ghosts, or demons simply b/c there is no theory which describes the phenomenon to an acceptable level of accuracy. To attribute an unexplained observation to a paranormal phenomenon makes a giant leap of assumption as almost all unexplained events are unexplained due to the inability of the experimenter to repeat the observation and/or the inability to know/repeat the conditions in which the event occurred. If you want to establish the existence of ghosts, demons, angels,...etc, then one must show that life after death exists. Although you may believe it, there is no physical evidence that demonstrates a deceased being's ability to interact with the physical Universe. Once this is proven, it is at that point which one can define the interactions of deceased beings with this world: ghost, demon, angel, poltergeist...whatever.

Submitted by Amie (not verified) on
wes, i understand where you are coming from....unfortunatly you have not seen or been through what i have...i dont try to photograph what i see there is just not enough reaction time and i dont keep a camera handy....the things you here when you try and sleep is enough to drive one person insane....i understand the picture completely....it was put out there to be questioned...there will never be one conclusion to the picture but that is okay....i can say though that science cannot prove everything in life, not after what i have seen....

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
Anybody thought of offering the people who allegedly own the property MONEY to visit the site? Money talks . . . BS well, you know. . If you want to know who owns the property, check with the county assessor. .

yes barahack is crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i brought two freinds and a drunik dog . saw nothing then my freind says oh well freind its not like your going to hear a ...and ekkk mother fuckin crack crack dope eek ....something fuckin screamed....place felt creepy as fuck though

fuckin you dont need permission ....just dont get caught done it plenty

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
The thing I notice about the story is that with every retelling (website or other) there seem to be more mysterious or unexplained pictures or stories but NO copies of those pictures seem to exist. The next thing I notice is that EVERY TIME it comes up, there are two or three people who admonish anyone and everyone NOT to go there because of property owners that will call the police post haste. No one reports getting arrested or even approached by the police or sheriff. YET, I see several postings with pictures of people and groups heading off into the woods to "investigate." No ever mentions WHO the property owners are. . despite repeated requests on several forums, it always goes unreported. Strange with all the people and "Investigation groups" that claim to want to get to the bottom of the story. Likewise, I find no good directions about exactly where the thing is. In this age of everyone with a phone having GPS, I would think someone would report the location by GPS. . instead vague generalities and suggestions to park on the other side of the brook. . .on the highway, which WOULD seem to be a tip off that someone was headed back to the cemetery. I find a couple of reports that there are no houses within "miles" of the cemetery, but lots of reports that neighbors watch out and call the police. I will say, I did see a no trespassing sign posted on a tree in one of the groups heading out pictures. So, most of the recent treatment stems from one old picture with a ambiguous dark spot which is circled and reported to be a woman with a shotgun. . .The guy who took the picture reported nothing weird when he took the picture. . . by the way, WHY was he taking a picture of the cemetery? And then, two years later, his son breaks his leg in the same place where he took the picture. Seems like the proverbial Gordian knot. The more you dig, the more convoluted the story gets. . . stories upon stories. . People swear they heard children, other people state they NEVER heard a thing. . Lastly, why is that EVERY "Investigation team" in the country makes requests to be put in touch with owners as they want to investigate, but I don't recall seeing a SINGLE posting of anyone saying they found the owners, or visited the site, or reported anything . . If these "investigation" teams are so skilled, why can't any of them: 1. locate exactly for us where the site is and 2. Have the ability to go to the County assessors office and find out WHO owns the land. 3. Come back and tell everyone what they found, or what they were told by the "Owners?" Sorry everyone, I love a good rush, a good scare and would LOVE to really encounter a "Ghost" Yet in 53 years, I have NOT found a single verifiable case. . . NONE. . But then, I don't expect every rustling of leaves, or raccoon scurrying around in the dark, or cold breeze to be proof of anything supernatural. YET. . you watch entertainment shows like "TAPS" and believe that you can sense and verify ghosts with temperature probes, infrared pictures, alleged cold spots, UNEXPLAINED noises, or the camera catching a door, chair or other object mysteriously moving. . .DO YOU KNOW there was not a crew member or production assistant that made that happen? How long do you think they would have a Television show, if NOTHING HAPPENS??? I said this before, there is a principal of logic, called Occam s razor which states, when an event happens, usually the least complicated explanation is the cause. No, it does not make for good television, or a good scare. Do you really want to believe in the same "supernatural" stuff that we supposedly left behind after the SALEM WITCH TRIALS? How about instead of relying on a blow up of a snap shot taken years ago, and scanned (Possibly SCAMMED) or manipulated before being posted, you insist on visiting the person who has the picture (if it still exists) and looking at it YOURSELF? Stop taking everyone's word that there's spooks and haunts in them Thar hills. . Wesley A committed skeptic.

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
Oh, one last thing. . EVP. . Once again, unless you are there for the whole time the recorder is there. . and have secured the perimeter, how do you know someone didn't just walk in, and whisper. . "GET OUT. . . I'm an evil spirit. . . " or something. All you have is a recording that you are taking someone else's word that it is "authentic" or "not tampered with" It's like watching spook videos on youtube. . . there must be hundreds of videos that purport to show everything from Bigfoot to Casper the friendly ghost in some dark and unknown place. . you honestly believe they are all real? Wesley

Submitted by Bill (not verified) on
I had seen the NEST video previously. Nothing like watching a parade of people trespassing on others' property. Pretty damning evidence against our missing paranormal 'investigator'.

Submitted by Jaybird (not verified) on
IV been many times over 20 year span never encountered any phenomena lol

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
Linda, Please don't take this as a personal affront, it is not intended to be. BUT I notice you continue to make postings "to the owner of the property" But they never respond. . . you constantly admonish people NOT to go there. . .Face it, you have contributed to the problem by posting the picture. . by constantly telling people, "Don't go there" you will make the owners mad. . As many web sites as there are about this story, how could the "owners" every hope to keep up with all the "brough haa" about the whole issue. . . I am reminded of the story of the person that swears he alone speaks for GOD. . .and if you question it, you will surly go to hell and burn in eternal damnation. No, I am not accusing you of that, but stand back and look at the whole thing from the outside. I did see in a picture of a group going in, a yellow "NO TRESPASSING" sign. You can't be responsible for everyone that has read the stories and wants to go experience this thing for themselves. Let a couple of people get busted for trespassing and post what happened to them to get put in jail, make bail, go to court and explain themselves, and then most likely get fined or given jail time. . . THAT will put a stop to it. . One last thing, may I ask why you have such a serious warning about using the picture that you taught as being the best proof out there? Are you or the original photographer really getting slammed by people illegally using the pic? How about if some of these "investigation groups" pitch in some money and go down and have the original picture scanned at a HIGH resolution and then posted? Or has the picture and or negative mysteriously gone missing? Personally, I think you should make a better copy available. . .I am surprised no one has really called you out on it and demanded you make a better copy available.

Submitted by Bill (not verified) on
Wesley, You are fighting a losing battle. People will believe what they choose to believe, will see what they choose to see, and will hear what they choose to hear. There is a reason that ghosthunting is a pseudo science; it is the study of a phenomenon not based on a solid scientific foundation. Michael Shermer called it anomaly hunting: temperature changes, below threshold noise, over ranged IR readings.....It is the very definition of junk science and, unfortunately, causes people like NEST's Michael Carroll and his group to trespass on private property.

Bill~ Whomever you are, you are wrong. We never trespassed. We had permission as we were in attendance with a solid friend of ours whom had obtained written permission. Please stop slandering us here on this site or we will be forced to take this up with the proper authorities. You know nothing of us and our work. Anywhere we go, we always contact the police and town to let them know of our arrival on scene, if even at a private residence. This protects us in any event. IF the police and town say no to us being there, we abide by that and don't go. Again, please refrain from using our name in any way shape or form, especially because you don't know us.

Submitted by Jaybird (not verified) on
Wow

Submitted by Bill (not verified) on
Wow, you really want to go there. Clearly, you have no problems lying to the forum. This says a lot about your credibility. Post 59: The caretaker September 13th, 2011 8:50 am Michael, As per the owner of the property, you are NOT permitted to be on, nor giving tours of the property. You and anyone with you on the property WILL be arrested for trespassing. Post 60, owner of bara-hack September 13th, 2011 10:19 am Mr. Carroll, I am the owner of bara-hack and I’m adding a note to the caretakers message: I have NOT given any form of permission to you or for you to take any groups of people onto to my property at any time. If you do so, you will be arrested and charges will be pressed. Plain and simple. This is AFTER you posted an invitation, post 52, to take groups of people onto private land. You bragged that you had done it before, with an author who was NOT given permission to take groups of people on the land. I know this for a fact. Go ahead and take your action. Call the 'authorities'. But this forum knows what you did.

Submitted by Jaybird (not verified) on
So there lol

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
Couple of things to say here. . . Bill, you are 100% in your assessment. It is good to know that someone else who is a skeptic is also here. The world is a little less dark, thanks. (It is better to light a candle than curse the dark. . ) Michael Carroll, Couple of things to say, First, I don't know Bill, but when I saw your posting I thought I had seen the name somewhere before, I had: http://www.freewebs.com/newenglandspiritualteam/barahack.htm One thing, and don't take this personally, as it is not intended to insult, but the "internet never forgets." By your own admission on Mar 14 and 15 of 2009, you went wondering around the property, after acknowledging it was private property. Actually, you danced around the fact by initially acknowledging it was private property, and stating" "While we have not gotten to the main part of the settlement, due to it being on private property, we did find what we believe, is another part of it or at least from the same time period. We came up an old house foundation, complete with the foundation of where the fireplace used to be. We also walked some more and found a well and" How did you know where the property line was? In Nov 2010, you return, no mention of permission or speaking with or knowing the owners. . and specifically state you go to the cemetery. Then, you have as Bill noted, a new site: http://www.nestparanormal.com/about Where your stated purpose is: "The New England Spiritual Team (NEST) was formed in March of 2009. The mission of the group is to fully research, investigate, and try to figure out what really is going on regarding cases, whether it be paranormal, natural, or psychologically based. We are a nonprofit organization and, in addition to the paranormal and historical fields, also love assisting with many different charities." But yet, neither page gives any sort of serious attempt at a report. Your first site concludes the "bara hack" page with: "A night time investigation is in the works and is higly looked forward to." No follow up. . but 6 pictures that may be incriminating. So, what scientific methods do you use to discover truth? Can you point to any scientific data that proves any aspect of the supernatural? Any proof that there is life after death? Does a cool spot in a room translate to a spirit, or a draft? I notice one of your investigators Elisibeth, lists as a EVP specialist. Is there a university program for that? What training do you have for investigations? What do you do to ensure that the tapes are not tampered with when you are not there? Your facebook page lists Taps as the first like for Television shows, followed by Ghost Hunters, Syfy and Ghosts R.N.E.A.R. As I said Michael, I am not trying to attack you personally, nor anyone with your team. But you need to remember an old axiom: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." Would really like to hear your objective opinions on the questions I have posed. Cordially, Wesley “For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
One last observation, There would seem to be two things driving the problems for the owners. 1. No one really states WHO owns the property and more importantly a verifiable way to contact them. -Although I was able to locate the owners name from the internet, and in a state half way across the country, It took a while. I suspect most people who run across the story via a website such as this, do not have the time or inclination to find out who the owners are in the first place. I noted before, lots of people have asked about who the owners are and how to contact them, but never a reliable response. And even though someone has posted under "owners of bara-hack" and some of the posts are reasonable and metered. Some seem a little out there. Consider post 105 which ends, "I hve to take my Add meds now so happy walking through my woods. Time for a shot and a beer." And post 107, which ends: "See, my meds are wearing off now. I’ve gotta go smoke pot!" Posts like that should make anyone question the legitimacy. Especially when there are other posts that are simple but direct, consider post 94: "No permission is be granted at this time. You might want to try again in the futhur. This is done only by written permission. Please repect this." Although I would hope that the owners of the property would be able to spell better. It would seem that, if the owners are posting here, they would at least provide SOME sort of contact information. By not doing so, it would seem to encourage people trespassing as they don't know WHO to actually ask. -The other thing driving this would seem to be people retelling their story of the "supernatural" but at the same time, holding up the talisman of "It's private property, don't trespass without permission. The more people keep the story alive, the more people want to go there. Putting "Bara hack" into google returns 91,000 Plus results as of March of 2013. It is only going to get worse. Humble suggestion for the owners. . .(very humble) post some sort of website, perhaps linked from the Pomfret city website. After all, it is associated with the city, and draws people. More importantly, post some sort of CONTACT INFO. You need not give them your phone number, but perhaps an email address. Spell out the conditions that you would allow people to visit, and not visit. If people don't know, there are just going to go. More headaches for you, more headaches for your neighbors and more importantly, the State police, (I suspect most people know that trespassing is going to be a low priority for the police. As a result, response times are going to be slow.) I am much more inclined to believe Bill, who said: "People will believe what they choose to believe, will see what they choose to see, and will hear what they choose to hear." As a result, they are going to discount all the reports that NOTHING HAPPENS. . No GHOSTS, NO PORTAL THROUGH TIME, NO SPOOKS. . Just wind, the occasional animal, and more important, the occasional hoaxer, who, knowing you are going, will be there first and out of site. . . making spooky noises and sights for you to falsely believe. I will say, Kudo's to Erik Kubik, who has probably done more in his videos to show the truth of the place. That a visit is not going to produce Spooks, presences or any such. His part II video did more to lead me to conclude that the picture posted at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/skyelyte/4133727483/ IS not anything supernatural. There are a couple of times when he has the same point exactly where the pic appears to have been taken, and gives you an idea what "Skyelyte" may be alluding to, but is actually seeing. Lastly, I would point out that the owners obviously DO allow people to visit under controlled circumstances. See: http://www.pomfretct.org/pdfs/12_walktober.pdf There was a walking tour that was widely announced on Oct 13, 2012, AND it went right to the heart of the matter. After watching some of the other videos of people tromping off in the middle of the night to investigate, I would get tired of it real quick. . Once again, if people knew when access was available, many would then visit legitimately. Regards, Wesley (That pesky skeptic)

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
If anyone else has any doubt about the "woman with a gun" picture, previously discussed, I ran across this picture of the Randall Botham cemetery, taken in winter. The bulk of the mysterious object is visible. http://www.flickr.com/photos/23391178@N03/2238746509/sizes/l/in/photostream/ Thanks to Andrew Lecasse for posting the picture. (on Flickr) The picture was taken on Dec, 25, 2005.

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
Might help if I gave a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIWcU4vXFWQ

Submitted by Bill (not verified) on
Wow, i learned nothing from that video. I dont think they know anything about the property. I suggest everyone watch erikkubik's video. So much more meat there and no paranormal hocus pocus.

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
Hey Bill, It gets better. . .They even have a video dated 7/10/11, where they are visiting the site and cemetery. There seems to be only a few minutes of video though. . Wesley Pesky Skeptic. . .

Submitted by Bill (not verified) on
It is worse than that. He ventures out 3 times in 2009-10. On March 14 with two friends (no permission); on March 15, alone (no permission); on November 28 with writer Thomas D'Agostino who Carroll claims has permission but does not have permission to lead tours (I know this for a fact). As to your second part, you don't need any expertise. You need a credit card, the ability to run around at night and/ or trespass. Hell, you could be a manager at Cumberland Farms and still claim to be a paranormal expert. Anyway, this looks like of a million paranormal/ghost hunting groups trampling NE with their investigations. They are all over youtube and FB. Yet for all their sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Submitted by Bill (not verified) on
Apologies for the redundancy, Wes. I noticed you mentioned the Mar 14,15 visits in your first post. Credit to you for noticing that first. The owners and caretaker have posted here. I have been in touch with them in the past. When that flurry in March occurred, the owner/caretaker were alerted and came here to stop Carroll from organizing his tours. After that, I cannot vouch for the posts but I will say that the owner is a beautiful woman but elderly. Small misspellings should be forgiven.

Hi again , ok so this place is apparently off limits. Curious if anyone knows of any other places to go in ct or groups that would be willing to take someone along or tours as you call it if you could let me know it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Rocco

Submitted by Amie (not verified) on
Wesley....the photos on this website belong to my father....before that property became private property...anyone was allowed on the property...i can tell when they were taken cause i was there and that is my brother....http://www.flickr.com/photos/skyelyte/4133727483/ the last time we were on the property a few years ago when it was just bought by the new owners we came accross them while we were in the woods....they were on horse back and we very nice people....they let us continue and if we want to go back just need to find them....but we wont go back cause it is there property..... i agree with you on NEST...i went to there webpage and i believe it and they are a load of crap to me....it is a game to them and most others that go do investigations....you are either born with the gift or you are not....you dont go out looking for paranormal activity...if you are sensitive and intune with the world it finds you.....i dont mean to offend anyone but i dont like people that portray themselves as something they are not....

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
Amie, No offense taken. I certainly respect anyone with a differing opinion, as long as everyone can keep the conversation civil. I had to go back and re-read the postings, both here and on your flickr page. In comparing your picture with others that were taken years later, as well as some videos which were shot about the same time of year. I think I have an idea of part of what was seen and pointed out in the picture. Interesting to look at some of the pictures that were taken years later and see some of the changes. One thing that struck me right off, was the tree size. It would appear that the area around the cemetery had to have been clear of trees about 10 to 20 years BEFORE your picture was taken. The angles of observation, were easy to line up based on the uniqueness of the tombstones and the unique pattern in the rock wall. I am guessing the picture was taken late afternoon and facing South. Do you know what YEAR the pic was taken? Looking at the area of high luminescence at the center top. Obviously, I cannot say for sure, but I noticed the same thing in another picture taken years later. Given that the Sun is roughly 45 degrees to the right of the picture, it is likely that the bright area is a reflection off of something. The color temperature of the "reflection" is very close to that of the daylight. Next the filamentous immediately to the left of the above mentioned item. Small branches and possibly ivy vines that have lost their leaves for the fall. If you scan through the wooded area, you can see other similar vines and such. Next item to the left of that would be the small area that looks like possibly the letters "d" and possibly "h." The transparent color in that, as well as the circled area match very closely. I suspect it is just some notation that was written on the pic at the time the woman figure was circled. Lastly, the womanly figure. I have another picture taken years later, which shows a similar darkly contrasted item, just beyond the stone wall. It appears to be a tree stump that had been cut with a chain saw sometime before your picture was taken. There are several other large trees that have been cut in the area, and are visualized on the videos supplied by Erik Kubik. Once again, I cannot say for sure, but the next time someone DOES go there. . please take a moment and go over the stone fence and walk about 15 feet and find out what it is. . . It was interesting to note that as I looked more at the circled woman, and let my mind run free, I could see that the woman was actually hugging a taller man with long hair, who is facing us. . . as though they were dancing. . . Look for him just above her head. . Regarding "The gift" I understand totally what you are saying when you say, "you are either born with the gift or you are not…." My interpretation of that "gift" is widely different that yours might be. I grew up in a home where my mother was a chemistry and physics teacher. I very strongly believe in the physical world, and that everything is understandable and explainable. The Scientific method. . It has served us very well, and if we had not embarrassed it, we would have no TV or radio, no electricity, No aspirin, no ibuprofen, no antibiotics, no cars, no railroads, no computers, no internet. . we would still be living in huts and wearing animal skins. All because someone found something in the physical world that they did not understand, and made an effort to understand it, not rack it up to the netherworld, spirits, or such. For us to abandon that process, to not accept that the noise we heard was the wind, or the house settling, or mice, or whatever is putting us back on the course to superstition and fear. People have been trying for years to prove (or disprove) there is an afterlife. So far, no one has made that breakthrough. Groups like T.A.P.S. Make someone a lot of money. Money that comes from advertising. I am aware of NO scientific papers or surveys done by such groups. But then, their purpose is in not to prove anything, except entertainment. I look at the cable guide and find shows like "Paranormal entity" on Chiller, "Ancient Aliens" on History2, "A haunting" on Destination, "The lost tapes" on Animal Planet and so on. People see there is money in such things. . . people want a good show. Not to mention the huge number of "Paranormal investigation" sites and groups on the net. ("Paranormal investigation" returns 6,730,000 results on Google.) And NO one had been able to prove or disprove "paranormal events" Sorry, I really did not intend to go on this long Amie. I am however waiting for the illustrious Mr. Carroll to weigh in and respond to the questions raised. Kindest Regards, Wesley, the pesky skeptic

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
Amie, I sent you a little more info to your Skyelyte flickr address. Incidentally, I must compliment you on your pictures. I wish I were so talented with a camera! Kindest, Wesley

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
Well, I was hoping Amie would get back to me, before I posted the response I had sent her and link to the picture to compare. It's been a couple of days, so, I will go ahead and post the reply I had sent: Amie, The other main picture I was comparing your fathers with is located here: www.ctpost.com/news/slideshow/Haunted-Connecticut-31726.php#photo-1703289 You can see the same dark object just above the rounded headstone to the right side. Notice also, the grouping of 4 to 5 larger trees just to the right of the object. (which are the same group to the right of the object in your picture.) Interestingly this picture was taken in the spring and the lighting is different enough to allow a more clear view of it. BTW, the cemetery is actually called the "Randall-Botham" cemetery. A quick look under geneology sites, returned a listing with all 9 complete names: “Randall-Botham Cemetery” at Pomfret, Ct., located on Ragged Hill. Botham, Adeline C., daughter of Andrew & Emily, died Aug. 11, 1858, age 2 yrs 2 mos Higginbotham, Darius, died Sept. 8, 1855, age 75 yrs Higginbotham, Dorcas, wife of Obadiah, died July 1, 1849, age 100 yrs Higginbotham, Mary, 2nd wife of Darius, died Nov. 26, 1849, age 75 Higginbotham, Phebe, daughter of Obediah & Dorcas, died Nov. 20, 1802, age 19 yrs Higginbotham, Rhoda Diah, daughter of Obediah & Dorcas, died Aug. 1, 1808, age 30 yrs Higginbotham, Sally, 1st wife of Darius, died Feb. 16, 1812, age 28 Randall, Pattey, wife of George, died Jan. 15, 1809, age 31 yrs Randall, Miss Patty, died Mar. 30, 1893, age 84 yrs You can view this listing here: www.ctgenweb.org/county/cowindham/records/cemetery/pomfret/pomfretmisccem.htm At the bottom of the page. Kindest Regards, Wesley I welcome any feedback regarding my thoughts on the picture Amie has one her SKYELYTE flickr page, which her father took.

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
Bill, given that he responded within two hours to your post, I would suspect that he moniters this page. I can't say that I know anything about the dreaded "Mansfield mansion" group, but it might be interesting to give them a look. Wesley

Submitted by Bill (not verified) on
He is on twitter. Maybe ask him there. Also has an internet radio show. Don't know if they accept calls. Would be interesting to ask him during broadcast. At the end of the day, Wes, it is just a small potatoes paranormal group looking for attention. I think the Mansfield Mansion group is much more dangerous since they directly assert that a demon was inflicting harm on people in the house and that the previous owners may have been committing crimes. Reckless accusations.

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
Michael, We were hoping you would come back and respond to the questions posed. Amie, Any thoughts on the material I had sent? I would like to chat a bit more about the issue. Kindest regards, Wesley Horton

Submitted by Wesley (not verified) on
Bill, I could not have said it better. I also understand Amie's recollection of previous events. I suspect that had I been standing next to her, when the things she alludes to occurred, I would have reached different conclusions on what happened. As I said before, I would love to have proof that ghosts exist, or that supernatural things happen.. . but in 54 years, I've not yet seen that. A noise, a breeze, especially when topped with an expectation of finding such (that, "hair standing up on the back of your neck" phenomena.) It can be very hard to step back and ask yourself, what did I just experience? When someone can come out and win the lottery twice in a row (the big win, 175 million to one) twice in a row, and tell me a dead relative told them the numbers, then we have a starting point. . . I really wish my dead mother would take a few minutes from the afterlife and give me that data. . . or even who will win the next few super bowls, or world series or such. . .

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Camping in Pomfret, was interested in visiting. Anyone know how to get permission to view the bara-hack cemetery?? Thank you

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Bill, you appear to have misunderstood what I said. The majors I have completed requirements for I did in the past. I continued my education for a great deal of my adult life. However, I am not enrolled in college now. Wesley, I look forward to when you have the time to view the larger resolution of my photo. I believe I shared with you that my husband is a skeptic (he believes nothing that can't be proved with science) so I am quite accustomed to differing opinions. To reiterate, there are 4 things in that photo that I personally found interesting. Of course you are correct in what you shared with me that it would help if there were more photos of the area of the right section of that wall. With this said, I personally find it not very likely that the photographer of the photo would not have seen something physical in that particular place (e.g. a tree stump). He had visited the cemetery more then once. As I shared with you he is an intelligent person. Thus, it is just my belief he would have never circled the photo to indicate he captured something interesting in that shot if there was something perfectly logical there to explain it (again, for instance a tree stump). In any event, I will enjoy your opinion on what you believe you see in the photo, even if it might and could very well differ from my opinion. As for science explaining everything that we believe to exist in the world today, I always recall that in (lets say) the late 1950s science stated it was a fact that there was a nucleus in a cell, though if someone were to say there was a Golgi Apparatus, mitochondria, organelles etc, someone from a scientific viewpoint would have said that was rubbish. Does that mean that the cell did not have all of these elements because science was not aware of it at that time? We could give numerous examples like this, including the most remarkable scientific finding over the last few decades of DNA; though because science had no proof of this in lets say the 1970s doesn't mean because there was no scientific proof of it, that DNA did not exist. It could be that there could be an explanation that is verifiable of what is causing the appearance of a figure (or multiple figures?) in that photo; but, it doesn't mean absolutely that is what is causing it either. The only way to be sure I would say is if we had several photos taken of that particular location, at the same time and date- actually differing times of day would help to see what displays when the sun is in different places. Though again, even if we had several photos done from that time it doesn't mean it would necessarily identify what is cause of the figure like appearance in that section of the photo. I personally have had many experiences in my life that to date could not be explained. As recent as approximately the last month, there has been huge banging sounds in my house that lasted throughout nearly the entire night. Interestingly my husband experienced this too, where he described it as being so bad he thought the ceiling would come down over his head. And even though he is an extreme skeptic, he has stated he knows of no reasonable explanation as to this loud banging that has occurred in our house. (Btw, unexplained sounds have happened many times in our house, but I mention the night of nearly non-stop banging because it was the most severe). Certainly, there can be what we understand to be logical explanations for a lot of things we may not be able to explain at a particular time; though, it is my belief too that at times when there seems to be no explanation, maybe one day quantum physics will provide answers to things people have generally believed to be complete & utter bunk ;-)

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First, i did not misunderstand your point about your education. It was written in a manner in which it could not be understood in the manner you intended. Second, science never pronounces judgement on whether something does or does not exist. However, if the model of a cell, a galaxy, or even the Universe itself is consustent with verifiable and repeatable experimental observations, then the model gains consensus And conforms to our picture of nature. Bangings on the ceiling, blurry shapes in photographs or even in the skies have a number of possible physical explanation, thus require thorough inquiry such that the outcome if any test is repeatable. Observation from any single witness is never accepted on the merit and demands repeated experimentation. I sincerely doubt quantum mechanics will explain your banging since macroscopic behavior of quantum systems are highly prized discoveries. But all pozsibilities in physics are considered and evaluated on their experimental merits.

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Well Bill, when someone has a major in a particular discipline I hate to tell you that this means exactly that they have completed a specified number of classes/credits in order to achieve that. So, ahem Bill, clearly that means my education that I mentioned here is past tense. & you should talk about writing in such a way that isn't understandable when your spelling is horrendous. LOL Last, nah, I don't believe there is a team of scientists out there willing to run out to my house at a moments notice at 1-2 am to conduct studies to determine if they can repeat the outcome of banging in my house. My husband and I could find no reasonable explanation for the banging; though of course, that doesn't mean there absolutely wasn't one & it doesn't mean there was either.

Submitted by Linda (not verified) on
Bill, let me put it this way in order to be clear, I might respect your shot(s) about my writing and/or my opinions when you learn how to spell; but PFFT! I doubt it. :-P

Submitted by Bill (not verified) on
Wow, two shots about my spelling. Shaking the straw man, I see. Easily explained though. In my defense, I was writing the post on an iPhone in a moving car. So please take that into account. Mmmmmkay? I understand what you were trying to say after you explained it b/c it wasn't clear the first time. Mmmmkay? My point still stands about the nature of scientific inquiry. Wesley's point about the image(s) in your photos being explained by other video/photographic sources is sound. Watching the erikkubik video, I see exactly what he refers to and am willing to say that was the object. As for the banging in the house, well, since you admit that you have not conducted a thorough inquiry, we can pretty much disregard that line of evidence out of hand.

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Bill, I am now absolutely convinced of your superior intellect and ability to reason after your report of texting on an iPhone while driving. I can see it in the headlines now, "Bill kills a family of 5 due to attempting to display his impressive intelligence on an iPhone while driving". Pfft again! If you are so sure I can benefit with an education by you Bill, maybe you might want to work on educating yourself first and take a look at this site to take a pledge to never text while driving. http://itcanwait.com/?WT.srch=1&wtPaidSearchTerm=texting+and+driving+app Since surely Bill, stupidity will never be a defense in a potential manslaughter charge.

Submitted by Linda (not verified) on
Oh yes Bill, and your point about the straw man, or you might want to try to portray it as an Ad hominem debate, I do certainly consider the source when someone attempts to portray me as an idiot. If you want to throw shots, please pull over if you are on an iPhone and take the minute or 2 to use spell check or as it goes you have failed callously in your attempt to demean anyone else. Seriously..........

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oops, sorry, too funny, I did mean it was a colossal fail on your part Bill. Now my excuse is it 2am; but, I did catch it as soon as I hit enter (or submit). Unfortunately, we do not have an edit button here. So, I apologize for the second post and error- but not to you Bill LOL

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Btw Bill, just as an FYI I am an atheist so the chances are slim to virtually none that I will attribute an unexplained event to an angel or demon. I would not say certainly that unexplained events (phenomena etc) could be attributed to ghosts either. I can only say in certain times (experiences etc) in my life, I could find no reasonable or logical explanation and I continue to seek answers to questions in life I personally do believe are not yet answered at this juncture in time. The only reason I shared that I am educated and have majored in science (at the top of my class I might add) is that I am not at all a person that doesn't first attempt to take time to think something through rationally, consider anything at all that it could be reasonably before coming to a conclusion that it is something interesting to consider as potentially non-explainable with the information we have at our disposal (if you will). Believe me, the banging in my house I mentioned only because for the life of me I can think of no reasonable explanation for it. I do understand mass, I do understand that a squirrel for instance can never sound like a person that weighs at least 150 pounds (but more like almost 2 hundred pounds) and Bill, I am pretty sure if you heard a sound of running on 2 feet for instance, you would be able to identify that the sound definitely did not come from something running on 4 feet. You would not need a team of scientists or not even one scientist to tell you this and conduct formal studies for you to know this. I am only saying here that a person that isn't an idiot that surely does use reason to access situations doesn't flippantly say any or every unknown sound or shadow in the woods is a ghost. Now if you would have extended respect from the beginning Bill and not assume I was an idiot, I would have returned respect back to you. However, it was my impression that from the onset you have assumed I was an idiot. Oh and also, it should be worth noting at least, my husband has a genius IQ. When I state that he could not imagine a reasonable explanation for the pounding in my house, his intelligence along with the fact that he believes in nothing that can't be explained in terms of what we know to be fact, I was only saying should be worth considering to be at least moderately strange. Though, the debate is always interesting in my house, I will be honest and say likely my husband would state though he can't explain it 'there must be' a reasonable explanation. I find it comical though personally that some people do insist there is a reasonable, logical explanation (in terms again with what we know to be true today) when there absolutely is not one. Just sayin.. I choose to remain objective. There is in fact studies that can be argued that were done by the most prestigious of scientists in the most of rigorous parameters of scientific study that have determined, just for instance that there is evidence of life after death, or more accurately there is communication after death. I personally believe Alfred Wallace's work in this area is the reason everyone believes Darwin should be credited with the theory of evolution when it was in fact Wallace that published theories of evolution first. Wallace's reputation was ruined I do believe because of his interest, scientific studies etc with the paranormal. Well, as it goes that turned out to be extremely convenient for Darwin who it could be argued was his most vocal and vehement critic. I believe personally that mainstream scientists can at times be worse then the most of religious people that exist in taking a position of science as a faith. Faith though has no place in science. No, I do not have unquestionable faith that scientists are all knowing and what they can prove by their methods is all there is in this world. I personally chuckle at the ignorance of this belief.

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LOL LOL I didn't 'ASSUME' ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT YOU BEING SO STUPID TO TEXT AND DRIVE AT THE SAME TIME. YOU SAID IT YOURSELF HERE IN THIS FORUM BILL, "Bill June 1st, 2013 10:13 pm Wow, two shots about my spelling. Shaking the straw man, I see. Easily explained though. In my defense, I was writing the post on an iPhone in a moving car. ...." ok Bill, I attempted to give you the benefit of the doubt that you intended no malice from the onset even though I saw clearly you had issues of self esteem to be insulting and demeaning (another science major I have is in Psychology and ahh yup, you do have psych issues Bill!) and now after I spent time to attempt to bury the hatchet and still you insist on winning with your ahem, Less then superior intelligence.. oh the hell with it Bill, you are not worth my time. Get help dude!

Submitted by Bill (not verified) on
Yes, this has most definitely degenerated into an ad hominem attack. You have succeeded in dropping even lower. Second, why do you assume I was texting and driving. All I said was that I was typing my reply into an iPhone while in a moving (admittedly bumpy) car ride. I was not the driver. It would be quite a trick to execute a reply like that while at the wheel. Are these the same deductive skills you are relying on in defense of this photo, the noises, and your expert witness? Perhaps you should ask your 'genius' husband to proof your logic before posting. All those 'majors' too....jeez, what a waste. Finally, I have no idea what you hear at night. Make a recording and upload it somewhere so it can be analyzed. Frankly, I have serious doubts about your reason base logic abilities based on this conversation.

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